Few cities in America have played a more consequential role in shaping the nation's history than Rochester, New York. Richard S. Newman, Professor of History at the Rochester Institute of Technology and one of the foremost scholars of the abolitionist movement, joined us for a wide-ranging conversation about the American Revolution, Frederick Douglass, Susan B. Anthony, and the enduring struggle to define what liberty truly means.
The conversation arrived at the right moment. With Independence Day approaching, Newman offered a perspective that goes well beyond fireworks and hot dogs. "When I think of July 4th, I think of all the people — enslaved people, politicians, women's rights activists, gay rights activists, people who weren't born in the United States — who all thought that America had something special to offer," he said. "It's a holiday where we think broadly and deeply about the meaning of liberty to everyone who is here and everyone who wants to be here."
The Revolution Was Never Inevitable
One of the most persistent myths about the American Revolution, Newman argues, is that it was inevitable. When he teaches the subject at RIT, he opens with a debate on that very question — and by the end of a month of discussion, students who arrived certain of the answer find themselves genuinely unsure. John Adams famously estimated that the American people were divided roughly in thirds: one third for independence, one third against it, and one third somewhere in the middle.
"A revolution is not just a total change," Newman explained. "It's a time of complete uncertainty and instability. One day you say we pay allegiance to a king. The next day you say we're governing ourselves." The Revolutionary War was also one of the bloodiest conflicts in American history relative to the size of the population, stretching from 1775 to the Treaty of Paris in 1783 — nearly a decade of fighting with no guaranteed outcome.
"Liberty was up for debate from the very beginning. There were deep divisions over what it meant, who it applied to, and how far it should extend. We've always been pushing liberty ahead — and there's always been a reaction to that."
Why Rochester Matters to American History
Newman came to Rochester from Buffalo to teach at RIT and describes falling in love with the city almost immediately. His enthusiasm for Rochester's place in American history is infectious. The city's story, he argues, begins with the Erie Canal — an engineering feat accomplished without a single engineering school in the United States at the time. "Before there's a Silicon Valley that says dream big about a world that doesn't exist, there's the Erie Canal," Newman said. "Nature didn't have the foresight to put a 363-mile river from the Hudson to Lake Erie. So they just built it themselves."
That infrastructure made Rochester one of the fastest-growing cities in the 1820s and 1830s and opened the heart of the American continent to settlement and commerce. But the city's significance goes far beyond economics. Rochester became a reform center unlike any other in the nation — a place where abolitionists, women's rights activists, and progressive thinkers gathered to challenge the status quo and push the definition of liberty forward.
The Seneca Nation's history is also woven into Rochester's story in ways that often go unacknowledged. The first reservation systems in American society were established in New York State, and the displacement of Native American communities was a direct consequence of the Erie Canal's construction. Newman teaches a course on Rochester reformers at RIT that traces this history from the Erie Canal era through the civil rights and LGBTQ+ movements of the 20th century.
Frederick Douglass and the City He Chose
Frederick Douglass did not end up in Rochester by accident. After escaping slavery in Maryland, gaining fame on the abolitionist lecture circuit, and fleeing to Britain to avoid recapture, Douglass returned to the United States looking for a city that matched his ambitions. He had visited Rochester several times and believed it offered something the established Atlantic coast cities — Boston, Philadelphia, New York — could not: a progressive western city without the deep class stratification of the East.
In late 1847, Douglass settled in Rochester and launched The North Star, his abolitionist newspaper. He built close friendships with the Anthony family (including Susan B. Anthony and her parents), with Quaker abolitionists Amy and Isaac Post, and with a network of reformers who ran stations on the Underground Railroad. "He comes to Rochester with a big set of assumptions," Newman said, "and then those assumptions are challenged." Rochester, like many American cities, was still beholden to racial compromise and political accommodation of slaveholders — and Douglass spent years fighting to change that.
The July 5th Speech: A Challenge to Rochester
On July 5th, 1852, Frederick Douglass delivered what would become his most famous address at Corinthian Hall in downtown Rochester — just steps from his North Star office on West Main Street. The speech, "What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July?", drew approximately 600 people and lasted over an hour. Its 10,000 words are among the most powerful in American oratory.
Newman walked us through the architecture of the speech with the precision of a scholar who has spent decades studying it. Douglass employed what Newman calls the "Douglass reversal" — opening by praising his audience as good Americans and patriots, then turning the table on them with a challenge: if you truly believe in liberty, why are you not fighting for it with the same commitment the revolutionaries showed? "He's looking out at people who are some of his best friends," Newman said, "and he's saying: What are you doing to make Liberty live?"
"He says, if slave catchers come into Rochester and take me, can I trust you all? You come to all these meetings, you talk about liberty. But let's get down to brass tacks. Do you see me and my life as equal to your own?"
The response was immediate and enthusiastic. Within weeks, Douglass received 700 requests to print the speech as a pamphlet — a remarkable signal that Rochester's reform community had heard the challenge and wanted to carry it forward. The speech remains as relevant today as it was in 1852, Newman argues, because the gap between America's stated ideals and its lived reality has never fully closed.
Rochester Through Douglass's Eyes Today
If Frederick Douglass walked through Rochester today, Newman believes he would feel the same love for the city he expressed when he returned in the 1870s and 1880s. "I never felt more at home," Douglass said of Rochester. But Newman is equally certain that Douglass would be heartbroken by the racial divisions that persist — in schools, in housing, in economic opportunity. The fight over his daughter Rosetta's admission to a Rochester school in 1847 stayed with Douglass for decades, and the underlying tensions it revealed have never been fully resolved.
For Newman, that is precisely why Rochester's history matters. Not as a source of comfortable pride, but as a mirror that reflects both how far the city has come and how much work remains. "Rochester is a city that wants to do the right thing," he said. "It's got a good heart."
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